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Weird. My latest post is not appearing in this thread. This is a test.

That got it.

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Isn't it ironic Michael , American "christians" supporting "the gospel of prosperity" , having their cake and eating it .

In a world of dwindling resources consumerism for all is simply not an option , and unfortunately war is the only one left from a realpolitik perspective - that is in regard to China or India . In regard to the muslim world they see us as Constantinople - rich , decadent and weakening with each minute . Can't say I blame them - they are only playing their part after all .

Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
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... making pornography ubiquitous to weaken the moral fiber of the people. So the U.S. has adopted the same strategy in regards to Muslims? I am not surprised though I have never heard it admitted before.



That's not what he meant by 'sex.' What he meant was that Islam is a patriarchal religion. The men run the show. Then he mentioned something about how certain Muslim men are allowed to have mistresses with the full blessing of Islam. I dont remembr the term for it. Western influences are seen as a very serious threat to all that.

What's ironic is that this is the same view of religion the guy Tony is arguing with on another board has. They see religion as nothing more than a tool used by those in charge to assert their authority and control over those who are not.

AdMaj, Turkey is seen as a success by these people, not a failure.


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So he was referring to feminism then? He thought that the West can get Muslim women to rebel and force changes?

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Turkey is a failure - see the islamists roots of Erdogan , or the end of the headscarves ban etc .

Feminism carries the self-destruct into itself - very low birth rates emoticon
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So he was referring to feminism then? He thought that the West can get Muslim women to rebel and force changes?



No. He was referring to the cultural status changes between the sexes (like equal opportunity of all kinds for women, not feminism per se) that come along with Western free-market societies. That is the threat. Muslim women dont have to be active in the strategy he described. What he outlined was transforming society by economic means. i.e., materialism.

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[sign in to see URL] historical inevitability of Godless capitalism. I just broke my irony meter.

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Muslim women may not have to be active , but muslim men are unlikely to be inactive and give up the status quo .

Let's see how fast Kosovo will travel back in time a la Iran .
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Muslim women may not have to be active , but muslim men are unlikely to be inactive and give up the status quo .

Let's see how fast Kosovo will travel back in time a la Iran .



The point you make about Muslim men is similar to the point the speaker I heard was making. Time will tell about Kosovo. Turkey is really seen as the model for modern Muslim nations. As an American, I look at Turkey as a 'friend' with great caution. When we wanted to send troops through Turkey on the way to Iraq, they wouldnt allow it. It made me wonder whose side they are really on.

The thing to watch out for in places like Turkey and maybe Kosovo in the future is if/when American policy makers get impatient with the government's move towards total democracy. Pressure will be applied for things to move faster and that means, for example, the military in Turkey might be less inclined to step in when things go too far towards an Islamic theocracy. It happened in Iran when Carter was president and wanted westernization to move too fast. Next thing we know, the Shah is out and Khomeni is in. Then America gets blamed for both supporting the original dictator and creating the situation for extremists to take over. Its an inconsistent, schizophrenic policy approach driven by unrealistic expectations for countries that have existed for almost all of their lives with totalitarian governments.


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"move too fast"

The speed is irrelevant , any muslim nation is incompatible by definition with secularism . But let the elites bang their heads against the wall , with the next logical step being muslim = modern-day nazi with all the implications . I'm sure Russia , China and parts of India would agree with that as well , as long as USA and EU are already weakened .
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