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Dumbledore has been revealed to be gay by JKR


I will say that I am disappointed. And angry. It reshapes my view of Dumbledore in a way I am not comfortable with. And I firmly believe that JKR did not reveal this until now because of the fear that her books may not have sold as well as they did. That is a reality.

I have always felt that after book 3, the series took a more adult theme and were not really for children. And regardless of what some fans say, I find nothing in the series to even suggest Dumbledore was gay. To me, this revelation is nothing more than a publicity stunt. And was something that should not have been revealed.

Unfortunately, my perception now has been altered and I am certainly not comfortable with it.


With the Popes warnings of reading the HP series, I now feel he was absolutely correct. Question is now, how to handle this? I am very angry over this revelation from JKR. I really did enjoy the series and took it for what it was. An imaginative story, nothing more than what my mother and father and their parents used to dream about and play in the confines of their imagination.

 

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First of all Tony , let me say I'm glad you're ok - I've been monitoring the board almost on a daily basis . Care to post some news about yourself - adoption , health ?

As for HP , I never enjoyed the books - for me it was satanic witchcraft from the beginning , no more and no less - so a gay character fits right in . Maybe next revelation will be about a "good" demon posession or something emoticon
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Re: Dumbledore has been revealed to be gay by JKR


Not to disagree with being a little confused about the whole Dumbledore sexuality thing, but isn't it just a little silly to be so hung up about the orientation of a fictional character, who in thought and act shows no seeming predeliction for either, really...?

And as for seeing it as being satanic witchcraft, it shows a definite struggle between good and evil, favouring the side of good... thus, given that it is a fictional story, full of silly ideas that couldn't possibly be believed, why bother condemning it? Is it sinful to use one's imagination? Granted, as far as that goes, a lot of extreme thinkers in this respect would condemn those who think at all...

Ad, can you honestly tell me that someone, outside of imagining, could believe in the Harry Potter world? And how can you liken this to a 'good demon possession'? Again, it bespeaks fighting against the dark forces, however they might come at you, something I would have thought you of all people would admire...

Beyond that, I would say to Tony, the escalation of the material is supposed to be intentional - the series is meant to grow with the reader, at the rate of one book per year, mirroring the growth of Potter. I guess I would say that I think this is appropriate as people tend to stay immature for too long, these days, and are easy pickings for those who would do them wrong or deceive them.

I would agree that perhaps it was a publicity stunt, though the approach seems to state otherwise... I guess my question would be, does a personal flaw erase all the good that a person does...?

I guess in a life of people stating that Christ came to help us out, because he knew we were only human, and would fall prey to temptations of every kind, there would be a little more tolerance, though a firm standpoint that it is not the right way to live...

Again, I say, Judge not lest ye be Judged - and though it was mentioned on this board before that that does not apply in these cases, I really don't believe that that is true - I would team that with 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'.

That is my rant for the day, though... I guess I am not up for stoning someone because they feel those urges, though I cannot condone them myself. Everyone's walk toward God is different, and outright condemning people will not make them see the light... bullying may work superficially, but all it really does is cover up the reality.

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"Ad, can you honestly tell me that someone, outside of imagining, could believe in the Harry Potter world? "

Well , scientology is a fast-growing religion nowadays , right ?

"it shows a definite struggle between good and evil"

Only God is good , remember .

"Everyone's walk toward God is different"

Not quite , because only Jesus is the Way .
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Good point, with scientology, save for the fact that L. Ron Hubbard, the writer in question, encouraged people to follow scientology, and treat it as real, if I remember correctly, whereas, JK Rowling does not. The Harry Potter books are written as blatant fantasy.

And to say only God is good is a bit of a fallacy - perhaps Good can only COME from God, but your outlook seems to oversimplify. My point is, fictional or not, to see people on the side of good and love triumph over hateful forces gives people an uplifting feeling, and gives them hope, that maybe real people feel that way to - that people really do want to fight to keep people from being affected by atrocious acts.

Only Jesus is the way, in my opinion, is also a rather simplified view. At times I sit back and ask, with all the religions in the world, it is rather harsh to sit back and say 'I am right and they are wrong'. It is faith, belief, which to us is considered fact, but to others is the same as mythology. I think that the intent of the action is more important, in a lot of cases.

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but isn't it just a little silly to be so hung up about the orientation of a fictional character, who in thought and act shows no seeming predeliction for either, really...?



Well, JKR revealed this to little children. A child who asked an innocent question weather or not Dumbledore loved anyone. If the orientation of a fictional character is not important, why did JKR have tell a CHILD that Dumbledore was a homosexual?!?

The simple fact is that it is important. Not in regards to anything real, but in regards to perception. Perception IS important. Especially to young child who probably went home asking his mother what a homosexual was.

There was ono reason EVER to reveal this. If it was so important for JKR to have her readers understand this, she would have made it clear in her books. Yet there is no hint what so ever to DD being a homosexual. And folks are calling her courageous. Courageous would have been to include such a character in her books knowing that her books may not have sold half as good. To have made her millions and now to reveal this is nothing more than cowardice!

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Beyond that, I would say to Tony, the escalation of the material is supposed to be intentional - the series is meant to grow with the reader, at the rate of one book per year, mirroring the growth of Potter.



Her writing style completely changed after the second book. The first 2 books read as children's books in every sense of the word. Beginning with the 3rd book this all changed.

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Again, I say, Judge not lest ye be Judged



Always good advice. However, you misunderstand me my friend. I am not judging JKR as a person. I am judging her recent decisions. And nothing more.


I am simply angry that this tidbit of information had to be revealed. How it was revealed, and when it was revealed and to whom. There are many HP fans outraged simply because there is no hint in any of the books regarding DD sexual orientation. NOTHING. Yet if I was to say now that DD was pedophile due to his unnatural obsession with Harry, I would be considered a nut!!

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Always good advice. However, you misunderstand me my friend. I am not judging JKR as a person. I am judging her recent decisions. And nothing more.



This is judging her - a person's choices make up who they are, as perceived by others. It is a judgment like any other.

All things told, this point is not really the important one here. I can understand your consternation, but the way she approached this was almost as an afterthought, because she didn't really seem to think it WAS important. She always THOUGHT of him as homosexual, thus it was a moot point. Then again, it sounds as though she holds nothing against homosexuals, so why would she hide such a fact when asked...? That sounds mysteriously like bearing false witness...

As for a child finding out someone is homosexual, if we are afraid of that we will end up crippling ourselves. It is part of the way the world is, whether we agree with it or not. We can make sure that our children know about these things, to the degree they can handle, and from there let them know what your beliefs are, in this case, that God does not think that that is right. It does not however, mean the person is bad.

I certainly hope that you agree with this. After all, the only thing Jesus said was unforgiveable was denial of the holy spirit.

I guess the problem I see with the judgments people make is that it does not allow people to make the decisions they think are right - we are all responsible for our own souls, and what we do about our lives, whether we choose to follow God, or some other path.

With today's media, JKR telling a child about homosexuality is the least of our worries. They have to deal with the idea just as much or more than people our age - after all, school children as young as 7 use the words gay, fag and homo as very large insults, so the greater likelihood is that the kid is going to turn against Dumbeldore...

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Recently, Yahoo! released their list for the most searched farewells of 2007. With the release of the final book in the series earlier this year, Harry Potter dominated the countdown taking the top spot.

Not all send-offs in 2007 inspired mourning, although they may have been just as heartrending. We said goodbye to a number of favorite characters, both real and fictional. Harry Potter, Hermione, and Ron, the creations of author J.K. Rowling, earned the most fare-thee-well

The online hysteria died down, only to be revived with the author's revelatory afterword about late schoolmaster Albus Dumbledore.


Any more reason not to believe JKR announced DD sexual orientation as a publicity stunt.

She should be ashamed of herself.

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In a recent interview with JKR, she had the following to say:

From one controversy to the next, it seemed inevitable that the topic of Dumbledore’s sexuality would croup up. How did Rowling deal with the fallout? “It was funny, mostly!” she exclaims. “I had always seen Dumbledore as gay, but in a sense that’s not a big deal. The book wasn’t about Dumbledore being gay. It was just that from the outset obviously I knew that he had this big, hidden secret and that he flirted with the idea of exactly what Voldemort goes on to do, he flirted with the idea of racial domination, that he was going to subjugate Muggles. So that was Dumbledore’s big secret.

“So why did he flirt with that?” she asks. “He’s an innately good man, what would make him do that? I didn’t even think it through that way, it just seemed to come to me, I thought, ‘I know why he did it. He fell in love.’ And whether they physically consummated this infatuation or not is not the issue. The issue is love. It’s not about sex. So that’s what I knew about Dumbledore. And it’s relevant only in so much as he fell in love and was made an utter fool of by love. He lost his moral compass completely when he fell in love and I think subsequently became very mistrusting of his own judgement in those matters so became quite asexual. He led a celibate and a bookish life.”

Clearly some people didn’t see it that way. How does she react to those who disagree with a homosexual character in a children’s novel? “So what?” she retorts immediately. “It is a very interesting question, because I think homophobia is a fear of people loving, more than it is of the sexual act. There seems to be an innate distaste for the love involved, which I find absolutely extraordinary. There were people who thought, well why haven’t we seen Dumbledore’s angst about being gay?” Rowling is clearly amused by this, and rightly so. “Where was that going to come in? And then the other thing was – and I had letters saying this – that, as a gay man, he would never be safe to teach in a school.”

An air of incredulity descends on the room, as if Rowling herself still cannot believe this statement. She continues: “He’s a very old single man. You have to ask: why is it so interesting? People have to examine their own attitudes. It’s a shade in a character. Is it the most important thing about him? No. It’s Dumbledore, for God’s sake. There are 20 things that are relevant to the story before his sexuality.” Bottom line, then: he isn’t a gay character; he’s a character that just happens to be gay.


JKR claims to have always seen DD as gay. Why hasn't any one who has interviewed her ask why she did not write him as such then?

If DD being gay was no big deal to her, why hasn't anyone asked her then why she would include a homosexual character in a children's book?

If JKR reasons that DD once flirted with dominating muggles because he fell in love with another man, why hasn't anyone asked her why she does not make this clear in any of her books?

If her belief is that fear of homosexuality is a fear of love, why hasn't anyone asked her why she would project her adult beliefs into a CHILDREN'S book?

If there are 20 things more important than DD's sexuality, why hasn't anyone asked her why she made it a point to tell a 10 year old child that DD was gay?!?


In my opinion, JKR is a coward, and the more she states in interviews, the less I think of her as a person. If she was as courageous as her fans say, she would have made it clear in her books that DD was homosexual. And not announce it to the world after all the excitement of the final book had died down. There was never any reason to ever reveal such a thing to a child regarding a child's book. It was completely irrelevant to anything she had written.




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For an alleged Christian, she has a decidedly un-Christian attitude toward the context and purposes of human sexuality.

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