Michael D
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Re: Anglican bishops in secret Vatican summit
They may be doomed. That does not make them irrelevant. What if they are convertible? Surely some of them must be.
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Jul/21/2008, 7:51 am
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tom7mot
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Re: Anglican bishops in secret Vatican summit
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You are right about the secular-minded people , but they are by default irrelevant because they think only about the present even with no enemies in sight .
This doesnt include Russia? They're becoming wealthy now because of oil prices.
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Jul/21/2008, 12:03 pm
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AdMajoremDeiGloriam
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Re: Anglican bishops in secret Vatican summit
Russia is different - they are fighting on multiple fronts - providing incentives for children , supporting the Church , taking steps to limit abortion and so on . They will go all the way if they feel the nation is threatened - freedom was never an issue there compared to the state interest .
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Jul/21/2008, 12:43 pm
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Michael D
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Re: Anglican bishops in secret Vatican summit
And to think, Russia was once the battering ram for the forces of atheistic materialism in the world.
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Jul/21/2008, 5:01 pm
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AdMajoremDeiGloriam
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Re: Anglican bishops in secret Vatican summit
For them their way of life comes first , and that includes the orthodox church . Even Stalin opened the churches and circled Moscow with an icon .
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Jul/22/2008, 12:49 am
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tom7mot
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Re: Anglican bishops in secret Vatican summit
I wouldnt be so quick to paint such a rosy picture.
The State and the Church are natural enemies. People can only serve one master. Right now, their interests coincide but in time that will change. It always does. The last time State and Church interests diverged, a lot of the Church ended up in Gulag.
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Jul/22/2008, 12:54 pm
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AdMajoremDeiGloriam
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Re: Anglican bishops in secret Vatican summit
We are told to be wise . Last time I checked , Paul used the secular state to his advantage . Of course , the christian kingdom is not of this world 
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Jul/22/2008, 2:49 pm
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Nordiclover
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Re: Anglican bishops in secret Vatican summit
I hope that some of the money from high oil prices is filtering down to the Russian masses and not just going to the rich.
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Jul/22/2008, 8:58 pm
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Re: Anglican bishops in secret Vatican summit
Hi, Nord!
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Nordiclover wrote:
I hope that some of the money from high oil prices is filtering down to the Russian masses and not just going to the rich.
It's very definitely creating a wealthy class, especially in and around Moscow where housing prices have become very high. Russia isnt a democracy and has no cultural tradition for capitalism so I doubt all that wealth is translating into anything more than making people who were already 'rich' under the old system even richer under the new one.
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Jul/23/2008, 10:34 am
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Re: Anglican bishops in secret Vatican summit
Getting back to the subject of this thread, I thought this was interesting:
http://www.catholicexchange.com/2008/07/21/113244/
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